Paused episode 472 at just the right moment (or wrong moment depending on your perspective)
(This is at approx 19:28 for one or two frames at most, but still…)
Forget Naruto’s occasionally missing whiskers, or Sasuke and Kakashi’s occasionally missing sharingans, mangekyous etc…Poor Sakura is missing her entire face :\
@awkwards-no-jutsu
You shouldn’t pause on this frame too long though because she is liable to crawl out of your screen and rip off your face to replace her own.
omgyou’rekidding.
omgyou’resonot. o_o
…hope i was quick enough, too… i like my face where it is!
What can I say about Lizzy that hasn’t been said before? I
find it interesting about her relationship with her mother and brother we see
more then her relationship with her father.
Lizzy is a girl with a lot that is
weighing her down right at the moment, and not that long ago, part of that
weight was removed because of what Ciel told her, that he could never hate her. It’s an interesting dynamic
brought about by not only training but the need to keep the Watchdog aspect of
the family going, something that I think, she really does hold true to.
For Lizzy her relationship to her parents seems to be for
the most part loving, although with her Mother it’s more strict then your
typical mother and daughter situation. We see her constantly over by the
Phantomhive house as a child, indicating that she preferred to be there with
Our!Ciel and the Twin. And in this case I think a major reason was that she
enjoyed being away from the tight training schedule that her mother had her on.
I don’t know if anyone else has talked about this, but I think this line is extremely important in understanding Sebastian’s feelings.
Through the series we can tell that the only person Sebastian truly cares about is himself. There are instances where he shows concern for Ciel, but I believe this is a projection of the lofty position in which he regards the contract. The contract aside, the one other thing Sebastian most important to Sebastian is his butler aesthetic.
We know how much Sebastian cares for this aesthetic. Hell, he nearly died in the Campania arc trying to maintain it while fighting three reapers. It’s obviously a source of pride for him, else he wouldn’t be spouting the fact that he is “one hell of a butler” at every given opportunity. He is arrogant, we know this, and he holds himself in the highest esteem.
Yet Agni surpassed him, and he knows it.
Sebastian obviously respects Agni’s death immensely. “The epitome of a butler” is not something Sebastian would say lightly. (Assuming it translates) the implication is so much stronger than “one hell of a butler.” Sebastian implies that Agni has fulfilled the ultimate duty as a butler and by doing so has surpassed Sebastian. Can you imagine the utter respect Sebastian must feel for this human to put him in higher esteem than himself?
“The epitome of a butler” isn’t Sebastian brushing the death of his only friend aside. This is Sebastian offering what he considers to be the highest honour he could possibly bestow on a human.
Hello Anon, I suppose you meant the Queen (since you said ‘her’)?
Anyway (assuming you did) yes, I think it’s also a possibility, the second I like the most actually, in case UT really is involved with the blue sect and not just behind the scenes. It’s kind of a more complex theory that started with this postbecauseremember the Campania arc, Anon? Here’s what UT said:
Since we now know that Victoria prepares for war, I always found that what UT said about BDs being “the best military animals” could be a hint that he knew about Victoria’s war plans way before Yana-sensei actually started introducing the war subplot quite visibly in the story (which is ch84 and the GW arc).
Now, the thing is, UT doesn’t have to be explicitely talking about the Queen’s side when he says…
…especially since…
…the Undertaker apparently was doing business recently with other countries besides England (and since Will and Grell might have been after him when they came to investigate in Germany).
Besides, the Queen also apparently found out about Bizarre Dolls for the first time after the Weston arc…
…even if she was interested in them right away, so I’m thinking that UT’s “experiment” with the Campania probably wasn’t to show her how useful BDs could be, but people from Germany and/or France who also are to be involved in the war to come…
…which could make UT the little “element” playing with the balance of power in Europe.
Think about it, the Undertaker said that he didn’t like the Queen, she’s probably more of a bother in his eyes than Sebastian himself but now that she’s going for war against at least Germany, it is probably hard for him to take her down on his own, especially if John Brown is a supernatural being himself.
So what if UT is trying to get in the way of the Queen’s war plans by giving the advantage to the countries that she intends on fighting against (Germany, France)? Maybe that’s why Diederich said that
he passed by Germany to go do business in France, when UT can teleport (and thus had no reason to pass by Germany to go to France if he had no business in Germany).
And so, to go back to your question and with this theory in mind, for the current arc:
either UT’s pretending to help the Queen only to backstab her at the best moment
It all depends on how invested UT is to go against the Queen. Killing her might prove to be difficult (for obvious plot reasons and because of John Brown, whose nature is… unknown), which is why he might be trying to thwart her war plans, either by simply sabotaging the blue sect’s experiments (if the Queen is indeed behind that) or by going bigger and interacting with the enemy countries.
I hope it makes sense, feel free to ask if something is unclear! Have a nice day Anon :)
Anonymous I think that while UT cares about our!Ciel, he might be obsessed with real!Ciel because of how much he resembles Vincent. He's trying to help both twins (I agree with your John Brown theory) but he's more obsessed with the real!Ciel. What do you think about the possibility of this?
Hello Anon and no, actually I have a lot of trouble understanding why a lot of Kuro readers feel the need to describe UT as “obsessed with real!Ciel” in particular, no offense. :) I know the blue sect is all focusing on Real!Ciel, the blue star, quite obviously, but that doesn’t mean it has to be the same for the Undertaker.
Don’t get me wrong, I think UT is obsessed with the Phantomhive family in general, which would make him obsessed with Real!Ciel yes…
…but in my opinion that doesn’t mean that he isn’t also obsessed with our!Ciel, as we could see more than once in the manga in my opinion.
To get my point across a little better, here’s what I told someone (not tagging them in case they don’t want me to) who asked me privately about my interpretation of the Undertaker’s words in ch105:
「かわいそうに 骨の髄まで焼けてしまって あんな死に方じゃもう・・・」 “Poor thing. Even the marrows of his bones were burnt. Having died like that, XX not XX anymore…” [*もう means “(can) not anymore” in this case. So apparently, something can not be done because Vincent’s body is too damaged. Maybe UT was trying to resurrect him or resurrect someone else (Claudia?) by using his body, idk.]
「ああ でも "ファントムハイヴ伯爵"はまだいるからね…」 “Ah, but… there still is an “Earl Phantomhive”[*singular/plural/female/male not specified], isn’t there…“
“I always interpreted chapter 105 and the “there still is an Earl Phantomhive isn’t there” part not as UT referring to the twin or our!Ciel, but just referring to the title “Earl Phantomhive” in general, which is to say to “the one with the watchdog duty”.
I might be reaching a bit in my assumptions, but by now, I think it’s not completely absurd to consider that the Undertaker might have been close to Claudia Phantomhive, no matter if the relationship was romantic or not. Now, we don’t know how she died, but the Undertaker stayed around after her death and helped Vincent Phantomhive, just like he helped our!Ciel until the Campania arc => he’s been helping the Watchdogs that inherited the duty after Claudia.
It might have been his decision or he might have made some kind of yet unknown promise to Claudia herself but
「ああ でも "ファントムハイヴ伯爵"はまだいるからね…」 “Ah, but… there still is an “Earl Phantomhive”[*singular/plural/female/male not specified], isn’t there…“
I always interpreted chapter 105 and that line in particular as UT basically saying “it’s too bad that I can’t bring Vincent back
since I really miss him
because his body burnt, but at the same time there is still someone of Claudia’s family who has to put up with being the Queen’s Watchdog, so I still need to be around and watch over him”.
That’s why I think Ciel himself was confused in ch105/106. Ciel can’t have been thinking about this twin as the other possibility besides him in ch105, because apparently until ch128 he thought that his twin had died 4 years ago.
So I don’t think UT meant Ciel or his twin in his words of ch105, I always interpreted it as a more general concept based on UT’s devotion to the P family: as long as someone of Claudia’s family will be bothered by the Watchdog duty, UT will stay around as much as he can and try to help. That’s why he said…
And…”
You see Anon, I really agree with this post by @hitsugikuro and this post by @thedarkestcrow and I don’t recall having seen a post that would explain with canon examples why exactly UT would be more obsessed with Real!Ciel than with our!Ciel, and that’s where the problem lies for me with all those “UT brought the twin back” theories.
UT wants to bring back people that he loved/liked/cared about,yes, but when it comes to the twins, I just don’t see why UT would treat them differently from one another, especially when Real!Ciel is most likely dead and already soulless, while Ciel still has his soul but it’s endangered by a contract to Sebastian.
So you see, considering UT’s advice to Ciel about taking care of his soul in the circus arc, I’d say that UT being more preoccupied by our!Ciel’s soul would actually make more sense than UT being more obsessed with someone who already lost his soul (especially when UT got to interact with our!Ciel more than with the twin before his death, since he helped our!Ciel with the watchdog duty for 3 years after the twin was sacrificed).
It’s the same with Claudia, since Vincent can’t be brought back. I always thought that the bizarre dolls project is all because he wants to bring her back, since she’s one of his lockets, but does this mean that in the meantime he’s discarding our!Ciel on the side with the problematic of the contract? As he proved with the circus arc, the campania arc and the weston arc, he’s not and he even made it clear before
that he wanted to stop Seb from eating Ciel’s soul.
So I’m sorry Anon, maybe I’m biased, but I really don’t see why UT would favor any Phantomhive over another, as he already proved by not putting Claudia’s possible revival above watching over how Ciel is doing as the Watchdog.
I hope you understand why I think that way with my interpretation of ch105, even if there is still a possibility that I’m wrong, as always. Thank you for passing by in any case and have a nice day. :)